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From: Jeff on 08/07/2002
Overnight I suddenly developed horizontal gray lines across my screen. I have a 17" Compaq FS740 I am currently using the best driver available. I have restated, scandisk, let the damn thing sit for a while, tried different drivers....Is my monitor shot?...Or is there something I can do?
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From: Steve on 03/01/2011
No go, it's toast. How fun it is to right this from a vga colored 6 core/12 gig ram win3.x I'm doomed to giant pixels.
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From: steve on 02/24/2011
It's feb 2011, my poor agp 32 meg nvidia tnt2 has got the h-g-l. This is the only card that can still run windows 3.11 in very high color and resolution. I must fix this card, i got cpu paste and micro fans etc. I am so desperate to fix it
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From: Kevin on 09/29/2010
nVidia Class Action Lawsuit for its defective Graphics Processing Units

http://www.nvidiasettlement.com/index.html

The complaint filed by New York-based Shalov Stone Bonner & Rocco alleges that Nvidia committed "securities fraud" due to "a series of misrepresentations and omissions that actively concealed and failed to disclose the unusually high failure rates of Nvidia's mobile video adapters."

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From: Mike on 04/12/2010
Horizontal gray lines - Nvidia GeForce 256. Thanks everyone for the posts. Healthcare Reform won't save this card.
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From: Alan on 03/26/2010
Same problem here with the grey horizontal lines that follow dark text and colors ... Nvidia Riva TNT2 Model 64 / 64 Pro. 6 or more years old custom build (Soyo P4IY Fire Dragon) PC. Anyway a lot of dust and crap at the new location started gumming up the machine. So I guess I'm not surprise the card is going south. Fortunately there was another card in there as well. An old ATI (probably a cheap POC as well) So I can get on with life. This is mostly a "work" machine these days ... not used for watching movies or any such thing. Anyway good to find this thread.

I don't know why people come on here and post, totally unrelated problems. ... Um my refrigerator is not working what should I do? Get the h off of here is what you should do.

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From: waseem on 01/10/2010
I have the same problem but with Intel(R) 945GM Express Chipset Family video card. Should I replace my video card?
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From: AZERJAN on 01/02/2010
Hi guys,
I almost read all the replys and concluted the problem has something to do with nVidia Video card, (heating, cheap manufacturing,...etc).

My situation is:
I have a laptop HP pavilion dv9000 (dv9821eo) for almost 15 months and just yesterday I suddenly realized the gray horizontal lines appeard across my monitor when I started my computer, and also when i watch youtube.
I guess it is the fault of my nVidia GeForce 8400M GS.

The weird thing is when i move my laptop monitor to 90 degrees angle it gones. I can't find answer for that????

Good luck everybody,
Azer Jan

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From: Boberto on 08/14/2008
Awwe I feel left out. I don't have horizontal grey lines but I do have vertical blue lines. Was using my couple year old 6800GT in a media center pc. Yes I kept it cleaned, clean it every month. Didn't notice any major heat build up and don't have it OC'd. About mid-way through a movie got a blue screen of death, when the computer came back up blue vertical lines (even in CMOS). It gets all the way into Vista when Bam Boom crashes again. Went into safemode, tried swaping drivers also tried re-arranging ram and removing all other peripherals. Nothing. Tried the card in a completely different machine, same problem. So I know its the card and kinda sad that a card I bought for $500 a couple years ago just failed like that. But alas these things happen.

And no, I wont go to ATI, I'm a die hard NVidia fan - already ordered a GeForce 280 for my gaming machine and will move my 8800 into my media center pc. :o)

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From: Steve on 04/11/2008
I am working on a HP Pavilion XL 768 computer for a friend that quit. The owner of this computer also had the PC contained in his desk drawer!!!! How much hot hair was contained in there I wonder. The power supply was not working. I replaced it and found blurs or grey lines extending from the text and graphics on the monitor. I then noticed the internal fan was not working. I ordered a new ball bearing fan from Delta. Lines were still on the monitor. I tried another monitor and still had the grey horizontal lines. I pulled the ASUS TNT2-VANTA video card out and noticed the nVIDIA IC was discolored in the center indicating it may have overheated. I will now replace the nVIDIA TNT2-VANTA card.

Has anyone else encountered this same thing and what fixed it?

Thanks

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From: ave on 04/11/2008
guess what ? i have just developed the same problem and i have a nvidia geforece 256 about 3 years old ,its been driving me nuts trying to find out what was causing the grey lines, as it is not my monitor as i tryed it on a diffrent one and still there ,i did the dust thing and the fan underneath the card was covered in dust ,i never even knew it was there as i do other fans .any way looks like a new card for me also .but with this new info at least i can check the fan for dust ect.
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From: naz on 03/29/2008
well i had this problem around two years ago, i deiced i would restart my memory and it wked! but know as you may have guessed im on this forum to find another solution!( because it came bak) lol
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From: hank on 03/22/2008
i have the same problem too!! I have horizontal gray lines not on a desktop computer but on my laptop. They can take up the whole screen osmetimes. They appear on startup and is very random. Sometimes i get em sometimes i get them soo bad its aaaaah. Well anyways if i move the screen to the back a little it goes away but i know it will come back...anyone know how can i fix this issue?
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From: Alex on 01/20/2008
Same here
Riva TNT2 (grey lines and washed out colors)
Asus V8200 Deluxe (GeForce3) Fan has stopped, and I fix it sometimes(when notice the failure) Grey lines first appeared around a month ago, went away after a restart. Now they appear sometimes. I guess it will only become worse with time.
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From: BUCKO on 01/18/2008
WOW...WHERE THE HELL WAS THIS INFORMATION WHEN I DECIDED TO TOTALY- RE-FORMAT MY COMPUTER! SAME GREAY LINES, SAME NVIDIA CARD, THREE WEEKS OF NEGLECTING MY WIFE AND DOG WORKING ON THIS STUPID GREY LINE PROBLEM. SO NOW ITS OFF TO COMP USA TO BUY A NEW CARD AND A NEW FAN.

I LOVE THIS COUNTRY....THANKS!

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From: Kevin on 11/02/2007
Adrian must buy cheapo computers if "every one of his PC parts eventually fails" I have an Apple II+ that still fires up with no problems after 28 years! I have only seen this particular problem with nVidia cards, both old and recent, with and without a built-on fan.
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From: Adrian on 10/24/2007
Ignorance can be dangerous...

First off, it's sad that so many people throughout the life of this thread are so rabidly anti-nVidia. Like it's nVidia's fault that your prefab Dell, HP or Compaq with cheapo components has become a toaster oven. Pre-assembled computers often use many cheap parts, combine that with a trendy micro-tower case that takes up very little room but has no airflow, and boom. PCB Flambe'.

Many of those TNT2's and such had minimal built-in cooling, just enough to get by. The ones with fans could easily succumb to buildup of dust that would cause them to fail, and then the card would overheat. In a cramped, badly-ventilated micro case, it would have been hard pressed to shed heat to begin with, but fan failure means guaranteed card failure.

I've seen this gray-line problem typically with Intel onboard video chipsets, but any low-power video device can succumb to it, especially if it's 2+ years old and constantly subjected to a combination of dust buildup and excessive heat. It may seem intimidating and/or a hassle to open up your case to clean out the dust and tidy up the wires, or adding fans to make sure you have good airflow, but remember...the price of negligence is a new computer. If you really can't afford to replace major parts or even the entire computer on a routine basis, learn how to take good care of what you have.

Also, be aware that regardless of brand, every computer part will eventually fail. All you're doing by maintenance is putting that time off for a while.

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From: FATRAY on 10/15/2007
OMG this thread is old. Searching around for a problem with my Dell I found this and thought I add my 2 cents.
I have experienced this with both Nvidia & ATI cards. The problem is HEAT. If you noticed there is no heatsink on that video card, (not on mine anyway) and no airflow around it that I can tell. Once your card does this you can toss it in the trash, it's burnt up. How I know this? My PC is inside my desk with a fan hole blowing out the hot air from the PC. That fan broke without my knowledge. I started getting these lines so I opened my desk door to the PC and it must have been 200f inside. Installing a new ATI card fixed it. Guess what? I didn't get a new fan, same problem happened in a very short time. Getting a new card again and a new fan this time, the problem has never come back. I’m sure it won’t either.
Live and learn.
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From: Annika on 10/11/2007
I have the same grey lines. They have been getting worse over the last few weeks. They come and go and sometimes for a few seconds, cover most of the screen. I know it isn't my monitor, since it does the same on my old one. I have the ATI Radeon 9250 video card, and was all set to replace it with a Nvidia card. Now I guess I will replace it with another ATI since they at least seem to have fewer issues.
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From: 5buglets on 10/06/2007
Wow
I'm feeling lucky my card lasted this long. I was already to blame my now high school sophomore daughter for downloading some virus or something. She was in 2nd grade when I bought this computer ... but even if you're lucky the cards, eventually, burn out. Glad I read this before I did a system restore.
Thanks, this is the only place I've been able to find help for this problem.
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From: Janice on 07/22/2007
I am reformatting the hard drives on 2 old computers and guess what? 16MB NVidia TNT2 M64 Graphics card on one and Nvidia Vanta on another. Both have the same gray lines problem. Spent hours searching for legacy drivers on the internet and knew that it could not be the monitor because I tried different monitors. Thanks so much for your comments. I will go immediately to get some old video cards to replace the Nvidia cards.
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From: Seb on 07/10/2007
Just to add, exactly the same, a Riva TNT2 suddenly started displaying grey horizontal smears all over the place.

Card has no fan and Computer was a 5 year old Carrera (but kept in a cool place in an air conditioned office.

For anyone else looking, I have looked at a number of other forums and as of yet, the solution appears to be to get a new card/repair doesn't seem possible.

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From: john on 07/06/2007
yup, same problem, horizontal grey lines, nVidia TNT2 M64 with 16MB, I have DELL Dimension 3000. Internal on-board INTEL video works, so it is not my monitor. Tried drivers, refresh rate changes, nothing helps. Guess it is time to buy an ATI.
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From: Jon on 06/14/2007
Yep, just started getting the grey lines too. Riva TNT2 M64, had it since 2000.
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From: das on 06/04/2007
Well, I have a geforce 6800 and I get the lines as well.
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From: jason on 05/24/2007
damn, this problem has been going on for a long time.

i bought top-of-the-line dell one year ago with Nvidia card, and about 3 months ago got the lines. i have avoided taking action until now because i thought it started first while i was running maya, then popped up in after effects, until finally its always on my cursor.

how is it that dell customer support is not already "aware" of this problem? i spent 3 hours on the phone and not once did they mention this could be a problem.

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From: Dave on 02/25/2007
Same problem here - short, random appearing horizontal lines. Guess I'll be switching to ATI like everybody else. Ironic - the postings on this site in regards to the poor performance of nVidia cards are in direct date correlation to nVidia stock hitting the roof. Looks like they didn't respond to problems either. I guess ignorance & arrogance leads to success. Or perhaps it's a replacement strategy - keep pumping out trashy overheating cards so they get replaced at owners' expense, pushing up revenue!
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From: Mike on 02/18/2007
Ah, thank Google for this site! It's amazing how there's no comment on nVidia's own forum about this.

This happened on my machine today - a Chaintech Desperado AGP-R160 NVidia Riva TNT2 M64, which I must admit has worked ok for about 6 years, finally got the "grey lines" ...

As to the comments about fans etc. and overheating -- this card has NO fan. There is a small heatsink on the chip, on the lower surface of the board (great for convection!), and that heatsink is just-bearable-hot. No significant airflow back there though. Really poor -- if it needs cooling then slap a fan on.


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From: NVidiot on 02/01/2007
Yep, me too. NVIDIA GeForce 2 MX/MX 400 failed and started displaying grey horizontal smearing.

Well, I was thinking of buying a new PC. Guess I'll place the order tonight.

Thanks for this site!

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From: Lauren on 01/05/2007
I am surprised to see all the posts regarding this issue. I have a Nvidia GeForce card as well. I woke up this morning and these grey lines just appeared. I tried updating the driver, but then my display just starts to jump and garble. I had to do a system retore. This got rid of the garble but not the grey lines. These lines look like pixelated like little moving squares accross my screen. I tried changing my settings, nothing worked. Is this the same thing everyone else is seeing?
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From: Darshan on 09/17/2006
Hey. My family recently bought a new computer (a Dell) so the computer we've had for four years was handed down to me. It's an MDG and runs Windows XP Professional. Two days after we hooked up the computer a thin black horizontal line appeared on the monitor. It is a little bit more than halfway down the screen and does not strech to the edges. Does anyone know how to get rid of it?
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From: Adi on 06/05/2006
HP NX 8220 - NEW !!!
Afer one day some horizontal moving thin lines appered on my display
Same was happening with another HP Notebook (another type) one year old.

The lines are showed even while computer is restarting!

Please help! On service or home i dont have this problem!

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From: Gary on 05/25/2006
Thought I would go ahead and add yet another failed nVidia TNT2 M64 card which started displaying the horizontal lines across the screen where dark text or colors were present. Did a few hours of research and tried all of the recommended settings for my 3 month old flat panel monitor. No changes so I then connected by old CRT monitor up and still the same lines. Then today found this site. Computer was stored for the last 2 years and just recently put back in use 2 months ago and worked fine until two days ago when the lines suddenly appeared. It's a Dell PIII 800 which came new with the nVidia card.
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From: jeff3 on 05/05/2006
hey guys..i was watching futurama on my computer..then went to get a drink..came back and had grey lines...thin text...neon/simple colors...a few translucent looking places.....same thing as a lot of ppl here...tried all new drivers and nothing...my monitor is fine....my card was a NVIDIA GEFORCE 2 mx....the card looks and smells fine but i'm sure now it is the card's fault..btw i have excellent cooling and took great care of it...had it for about 6 years.

Anyways, i've decided i need a new computer anyways, but it's a shame hese cards seem too often barely outlive the warranty. nvidia cards are great...until they BreAk!!! :-(

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From: Julie on 04/22/2006
Woke up this morning... grey lines across the monitor! Thought it was the monitor, replaced with my spare from downstairs. Guess what... grey lines still. Yes I have the nvidia tnt2. Guess I'll be buying a new vid card tonight. :-(
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From: Jerry on 04/11/2006
I had the vertical lines problem noted below a few posts. I said I'd get back if it was the LCD panel. Well, it appears to be the panel instead of the card. Still a bummer and more difficult to obtain a repair part, at least so far.

Good luck with the line problem, folks.

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From: Michele on 03/20/2006
I have the same problem w/an old Dell desktop which has an NVidia GeForce 256.
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From: Noah on 03/10/2006
I've been repairing computers freelance on a regular basis since nVidia became a major player in the video card market, and I've seen this problem several times with older nVidia cards. I understand everyone's frustration with it, particularly the customer service issue. However, it is unfair to say it's entirely nVidia's fault. Truth be known... many different manufacturer's produce graphics cards with nVidia chipsets. It is those manufacturer's responsibilities to provide ample cooling and correct board architecture for the chipset, not nVidia's. I've noticed that this sort of problem is most common with cheaper cards (which are often used in pre-assembled computers like Dell, Gateway, etc.) and on-motherboard chipsets. The lesson: You get what you pay for. The video cards that come in these storebought systems aren't going to be the best available and it is actually beneficial to these companies to produce computers that need replacing or repair after warranty. I've seen this problem with cheaper S3 and Trident cards as well. It is not just an nVidia issue.
To my knowledge ATI releases most of it's cards under it's own name only (not through other companies such as XFX, Verto, eVGA, etc. like nVidia.) Perhaps ATI cards are more reliable (I've never had to throw away a ATI card because it was faulty) because the company makes them itself instead of just selling the chipsets.
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From: Jerry on 03/06/2006
Hi All. I'm getting an increasing number of colored VERTICAL lines appearing on my laptop's LCD screen. It seems there's a new one every day or so. The current number since the first line about a week ago is 8, with one very thick black one that I can still see the back-light through. What the heck? Like most of you, I've also checked diagnostics, the internet, manufacturer's websites, updated BIOS, drivers, etc. Nothing seems to help. The lapttop is a Toshiba A-15 Qosmio, Media Center Edition, XP Pro, 1.8 Gighz, nVidia GForce FX Go5700 card. The one thing I haven't done is hooked the output of the unit to an external monitor to see if it's the LCD screen or the card. I'm in a remote area in Central America, but I'll do that when I get access to a monitor or a working TV to continue troubleshooting. Because there's so many entries for bad cards, I will post a follow-on if it is NOT the nVidia card.

Any info or advice would be appreciated. Be cool.

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From: Marc on 02/24/2006
I have never had any problems with NVIDIA. I use the gfx 5200 and b4 i upgraded i had the mx440.........Spose i must be one of the lucky ones huh........i am using xp home with an ASUS P4S8X-X motherboard with a P4 cpu
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From: Alf from Argentina on 02/21/2006
Add to the statistics...
I get the same problems with my card Riva(Vanta) TNT 2 M64/M64.
Grey horizontal lines .
The card didn't have a fan over the chip... so I couldn't think is a overheating problem... unless the chips from Nvidia are faulty.
Of course I buy this card in mid of 1999... so it last till february of 2006... good score...
I'm still searching for a hardware fix.. may be some water and soap and black magic could bring back the card... :) dont know...

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From: Craigmont on 02/16/2006
Okay I hate posts like this where everybody agrees there is a problem and people either have don't post their hardware specs or someone says it's something simple or just flames everybody for posting here.

I have a problem with 16MB Aladdin TNT2 cards. Don't anyone call me an idiot for using old hardware, this stuff works fine with the right software. It's not a heating problem. I have a computer lab with 10 machines with all similar hardware. When Nvidia came out with their "FORCEWARE" drivers and then pushed them out through Windows Updates my entire lab crashed! FORCEWARE does something to compress the data stream to make things faster, but in some cases actually makes things grind to a halt. I get green or blue horizontal bars on the screen and then the system is frozen. The problem is that there is too many different kinds of hardware to be handled with a single one-size-fits all driver update, I think.

If you go to downloads.guru3d.com/detonator there is a list of perhaps a hundred video drivers for Nvidia that have released over the years. The trick now is finding the one that works.

Anyone else on this same problem?


Craig

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From: weatherjack on 02/15/2006
YUP its the nvidia (its a disease they call nvidie) overheating will cause them to do this! Deal with the lineSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS or replace! I just spent the better part of my day/night reformating (didnt have to but it needed it), PC tear down, clean, and reasemble with 2 case fans, all in prep for the 256MB card I know one of you out there will sell to me for $25 (haha). I really dont even have that much to spend (home,car,utilities,kids,and wifes shopping) at the time so I will deal with the linessssssssss (and keyboard)for a while!
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From: Neil on 02/09/2006
I've had the same problem with my nVidia Riva TNT2 M64 for 2 years now and when it first occurred I just assumed it was the monitor at fault.

I spent a lot of time googling for this problem and found nothing so being financially unable to replace my monitor at the time (I was convinced I was right) I just ignored it. I began to wonder whether it was the card after all when, a few weeks ago, I put my computer into a new gaming case. While dismantling the system I noticed that the GPU fan was burnt out (a brown stain covered the label in the centre) so I attributed this problem to overheating as some of you have done.

I'm going to see if, by replacing the fan the damage can be reversed and perhaps solve another problem I've been having recently with recurring Windows stop errors which I believe are related to my graphics card. Actually one occasional error does in fact blame the display driver for being unable to program the hardware correctly, well, if the hardware is faulty I'm not surprised. A second error which occurs frequently, at least twice daily in fact, is caused by an unknown device driver according to the error report.

Has anyone experienced a similar problem since their card developed these grey lines or did you

replace it too quickly? :0)

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From: Ng on 01/30/2006
Got the same grey lines today.Nvidia TNT2 64
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From: Joe on 01/27/2006
Idiot Alert!!!
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From: Kenny on 01/27/2006
Your monitor is dying. Upgrading cards, scandisk, any thing of that sort will not work. You need a new monitor.
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From: DaMan on 01/13/2006
Add me to the list.
Apollo TNT2 m64. Grey horizontal lines(semi-transparent) coming from anything dark on the screen. I have since purchased many newer cards and only use this one as a spare. I just had to use it again to test it out another box. Did a search to look for a fix and wound up here.


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From: Waso on 01/05/2006
Had the same problem with grey lines suddenly appear on my Optiplex. Yes, nVidia TNT2 Pro card.

Unfortunately, having not seen this site, but having checked to ensure that the monitor was not faulty, purchased another nVidia product (GeForce MX4000).

Installed the card, blank screen. Changed the card to the second PCI slot, same result. Changed the BIOS settings, same result.

Took the card out, and examined carefully, and dismayed to note that the bar code sticker was actually stuck across the gold pins, no wonder the thing could not be recognised. I know I should have seen this when I installed the card, but hell, you don't expect the manufacturer to put a sticker across the pins.

Anyway carefully removed the sticker and gluey bits, reinstalled, and all appears to be ok now.

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From: Bob on 01/04/2006
"Hardcore" gamer Phil obviously has a buttload of money to piss away on new computer crap every two years. But being a hardcore gamer, and all the time in the world to lay around and play video games, he probably lives with mommy and doesn't have to pay for a mortgage, utilities, health insurance, groceries, car insurance, etc, etc, etc.
Probably leases a new car every two years too.
Good for you Phil......keep the Pacific rim economies going buddy. You drive a Honda or a Toyota?
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From: Bob on 01/03/2006
Thanx for the advice Norm. I think you may be right. I hope the monitor isn't toast. With the cost of every damn thing going up lately, (gas, heat, health insurance, etc, etc,) I can't afford new gear. I'm not into gaming or video, so a cheap card may do the trick.
Thanx again...........
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From: Norm on 01/02/2006
Bob, Nvidia video cards have been known for years to be self destructive (horizontal lines, overheating, warping, fan failure, etc.) Buy an ATI card - it will outlast the life of your PC.
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From: Bob on 01/02/2006
I am running the Compaq FS740, with the nVidia Riva TNT2 64 pro card, and recently the image size is "squished" about 1 inch in from the left and right sides. I've tried reloading and updating the video drivers but no help. Any suggestions?
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From: Lucio on 12/27/2005
I got the same problem ( gray lines ) with the Nvidia tnt 2 then I changed to the on board video agp chipset SIS 730... same gray lines .
I am using the old nvidia again without problem , I just changed the refreh rate of my monitor from 85mhz to 75mhz and the agp from 4X to 2X . No more gray lines .It is a temporary solution, but it worked for me.
You can try 75mhz at 4x too but it works only for some hours without the gray lines, at least in my monitor.
Good luck .
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From: Richard on 12/25/2005
NVidia RIVA TNT2 Model 64. Bought the Dell Dimension in December of 2000 with this card. Recently the original Dell died but I've been using the graphics card in my new system. Gray streaking started to appear so I bought a new Monitor. Glad I found this forum because I really want to fix this and I don't want to focus my efforts in the wrong place. I can't complain too much because the card has gotten a lot of use before becoming this way. I will buy an ATI Radeon. I have been very satisfied for several years with one of these cards in another system.
R. Scott Smith
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From: Andrew on 12/20/2005
Me too!

I just bought a 2nd hand Dell box with some flavour of Nvidia TNT in it, for my mum to do wordprocessing on. Initially thought it had a ghosting problem like some others below did (poor quality monitor cables or badly seated cables can cause this). Of course it has the same grey lines and washed out colours everyone describes, on a monitor that I know is OK (via a 4 way KVM switchbox, yeah I know I have too many computers)... I'll find and fit another graphics card from my spares box.

To me this smells very similar to the problem with Fujitsu MPG**** hard drives, where a dodgy chip caused huge failure rates. Fujitsu initially denyed it, but eventually bowed to pressure and admitted the fault. No such admittance from Nvidia...

Many, many thanks to all those who have contributed to this thread - moderators please don't take it down as it's the only answer to this problem that Google finds!

Cheers Andrew/Wickmesh

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From: robertj on 11/17/2005
http://cgi.ebay.com/NVidia-GeForce-2-MX-32mb-AGP-VIDEO-CARD-FAST-SHIPPING_W0QQitemZ8722377948QQcategoryZ40161QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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From: Vic on 10/20/2005
I just spent 5 hours on the phone with Dell with no luck, and they made me finally wipe out my hard drive and reinstall with the same results!!! I finally went searching and found this site. I have a Geforce3 card. To my surprise, this has been a problem for several years and with very recent postings. I just ordered an ATI card, per the recommendations. WHEN THE HELL IS DELL AND NVIDIA GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS???
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From: To Hell With good Intentions on 10/20/2005
Has anyone read any other reports (and possible fixes) anywhere else on the Net? I can't seem to find any forum mentioning the problem, bar this one.

Nothing mentioned on the NVidia site either.... surprised was we?

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From: Too Hell With good Intentions on 10/20/2005
Hi. Glad I found this site.

I have a very old AMD Athlon machine ('99) with an Nvidia GeForce 256 GPU in there. A few months back, while on the Net horizontal ghosting appeared all-of-a-sudden. It continues across the screen on all dark obects on-screen. Reinstall drivers - nothing.

So many people with the same problem. Same lines. Same Nvidia chipset.
It sure will put me off Nvidea next time round.

cheers.

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From: seven on 10/18/2005
"From: phil is a bitchboy on 08/14/2005
your hardware can last almost INDEFINATELY with PREVENTIVE MAINTENCE, phils claims of holiness by upgrading every 2 years or AS NEEDED is plain ignorant. technology changes weekly in the industry, and thus your palin STUPID if you constantly have to have the newest parts. HEAT destroys computers, not use. VENTILATE the case, every month invest in a can of compressed air and clean your fans and heatsinks. I mean really, you dont drive your car until it breaks down do you? as for VIDEO CARDS, BUY "BFG!!!!" lifetime warranty, and never think about replacing your video card again.... "

^^^^ Here's a person that's never heard of electromigration.

No, you don't drive your car until it breaks down because some countries force you to get a warrant of fitness where they test your car and can refuse you to take it on the road until you replace this this and this.

Ventilating the case? What a novel idea. For any PC bought off the shelf, ventilating the case is taken care of. If you've built your own PC, well you are at the mercy of your chosen case I'm afraid, but common sense like you suggest is needed.

For the record, current self-built PC is into it's 3rd year of use. Never ever bought any compressed air, and it's still going. So you wasted your money I'm afraid. Now don't get me wrong, I do open the case up occasionally and suck everything out with a vaccum cleaner, does not get as much out as compressed air would, but on the other hand it is free and it works.

I find it amusing you recommend buying a BFG card because you say it will never be replaced due to the lifetime warranty. Well first off I would say that lifetime does not refer to your lifetime, lifetime refers to the life of the product which should be clearly defined in the warranty. For example, ipod's come with a warranty for the lifetime of the product, which is defined as being 1 year in the warranty (obscure reference, but relevant).

Also, a BFG is a card for those that crave the best performance, yet you say anyone is stupid if they have to have the newest parts. Well for the kind of person that buy's a BFG the performance of the product will only be satisfactory for about 12 months. So even though you are spending money on compressed air, and you think you have a lifetime warranty, you will in fact be buying a new videocard in 12 months to replace your current BFG which will be in perfect working order.

You spelt maintenance wrong. You did not capitalise "your" in your first paragraph, if that's your idea of a paragraph. Technology does not change weekly in the industry. I bought a Pentium IV 2.4Ghz 2-3 years ago and there certainly have not been weekly releases of new Pentium chips during that time. The same goes for Videocards, Hard Drives and Ram. Soundcards for that matter too.

You spelt plain wrong, or perhaps you want to define "palin" for me. How can you invest in something you are going to need to B

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From: Roseroberta on 10/07/2005
I have had the same problem suddenly happen with a Riva TNT2 model 64 card.

I don't know how to clean out my computer? And, I can not afford to buy a new computer. I was trying to find the most inexpensive way to buy a laptop by Spring and I have no idea how to get a decent computer for the said $300. I need to have a home computer, because I have Comcast Cable and phone service through Vonage(through my cable system).

Also, idea of getting everything from my old computer onto my new one seems a bit intimidating to me, although that might be sheer cowardess that could be overcome.

Any suggests? You can email me at rozehue@usgo.net

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From: Mal on 08/25/2005
Me too :-( Grey lines appeared suddenly on a Nvidia card (32mb)
Off to buy a new video card this morning (NOT NVIDIA)
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From: Lynda on 08/23/2005
[Raising hand]

Nvidia GeForce 256 on a 4-year old Gateway, gray lines popped up out of nowhere. Assumed monitor going bad, bought new monitor, same gray lines [hangs head in shame].

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From: phil is a bitchboy on 08/14/2005
your hardware can last almost INDEFINATELY with PREVENTIVE MAINTENCE, phils claims of holiness by upgrading every 2 years or AS NEEDED is plain ignorant. technology changes weekly in the industry, and thus your palin STUPID if you constantly have to have the newest parts. HEAT destroys computers, not use. VENTILATE the case, every month invest in a can of compressed air and clean your fans and heatsinks. I mean really, you dont drive your car until it breaks down do you? as for VIDEO CARDS, BUY "BFG!!!!" lifetime warranty, and never think about replacing your video card again....
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From: matt on 08/08/2005
oh hey guys one more thing, if i reset the computer i also tend to get columns of letters, anyone else? hopefully once i get to install windows xp i can update my drivers and it'll be ok, but untin then...
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From: matt on 08/08/2005
hey guys, i just got a biostar 200n barebones system and installed all my hardware, at first i didn't have the lines but after some tweakin and attempts at installin windows xp (for some reason my cd isn't workin anymore so i have to wait to get a new one) the lines started appearing, but only when the biostar and nvidia logo appear right after the first screen, the lines r everywhere too, for ur cards, r the lines always there or just sometimes? cuz i would hate to have to drive 45 miles back to where i got the system and return esp since i just installed everything (cpu, hd, dvdrw, floppy, tv card)
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From: Alex on 08/08/2005
I have the same ghostly grey problem, and am convinced that my NVIDIA Vanta is the root of it, meaning I'll be at Best Buy soon. But I have to ask, would it make more since to buy a $50-$100 card for my five year old machine or simply spend a few more hundred and get a new computer. What would you suggest?
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From: Jack on 07/28/2005
Finding this site has saved me some money, as I was ready to go out and buy a new monitor. Same scenario as everyone else: powered up the pc this morning and the screen was striped with ghostly horizontal gray bars. The pc is about 2 1/2 years old and came with a nVidia TNT 2. I'll do a quick monitor swap with a spare to verify the problem, but judging by the comments on this site I'll be buying a new video card very shortly. I found this site by googling 'monitor gray stripes' and was amazed to see all the reports regarding nVidia problems.
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From: Phil on 07/09/2005
I dunno Dave...maybe it just a matter of perspective.
After a more thorough review of the postings here, I get the impression very few or none of the respondents are gamers. If you only use your computer for word processing, email, and the occasional foray onto the net to complain when your 8-year-old video card within your 10-year-old computer, displaying on your 10-year-old monitor is on the fritz, I suppose the expectations and response of such a user to the problems cited would be radically different from that of the hardcore gamer. I am a hardcore gamer… However, my point remains true for either group: As your equipment becomes obsolescent/obsolete a user will need to perform timely upgrades and replace equipment as it degrades or fails. Especially if the user expects to maintain full computer functionality. It would be difficult, in the overwhelming number of cases cited on this forum, to hold nvidia chipset cards responsible for the problems most of these users are experiencing.
Dave…others…breakdown…buy a new fucking video card…buy one w/o a nvidia chipset if you so desire…but…replace equipment before it becomes completely obsolete…you’ll be happy w/ the results…We’ll all be happy w/ the results…
Best of luck to you all… :)
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From: Bonnie on 07/05/2005
I find it very odd that we are all experiencing problems with the NVidia TNT 2. Is it that the Video card has gone bad, or that Nvidia no longer supplies effecient updates for the newer monitors. I guess I will soon find out that answer, since I have three of the same computers all with the same nvidia video card.

I installed updated drivers from the manufacturer of the computer. No fix! then I installed six different drivers from driverguide and still no fix. Which then led me to believe maybe the video card was burning up. Man, it was hot in that office too.

But after reading your replies, it makes me wonder if we just don't have appropriate driver updates yet for the nvidia agp cards? Maybe the new monitor that was purchased a few months ago was too much for the card.

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From: Dave on 07/03/2005
Phil, you sound like an extremely lucky soul to have not had your video card burn up within two years, and an extremely intelligent mate to conceive changing your video cards out as often as you change the toilet paper roll in your favorite WC. Now- what was that site where you found those disposable video cards?
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From: Phil on 07/03/2005
I am stunned...you guys buy a computer 3, 4, 5, and 6 years ago and
you're pissed off that your video card "...suddenly..." starts malfunctioning!!!???. I would have thought that even the most
unsophisticated users would understand that computer technology
in terms of software/hardware development is constantly evolving.
This doesn't even take into consideration the normal wear and tear
your equipment experiences from use. The computer/graphics card you
bought to play Duke Nuk'em will probably have some difficulty playing
Half Life 2 or Doom 3...or anything else developed in this decade.
I have NEVER experienced the problems you guys are complaining about...but...I do major upgrades of my equipment (motherboard, CPU, memory, video card) about every 2 years, or AS NEEDED. I have never had a problem w/ a nivida or ATI card that was 2 yrs old or younger. Also be sure you have the Mfg'er's most current driver and check for the most current patch. Geeezzz...
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From: john on 06/26/2005
wow i never would have guessed there were this many people with the same problem! i got the lines and checked my card and of course its a nvidia :/
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From: Matt on 06/14/2005
Hey, I believe I have this problem as well... the lines seem a brownish grey color, and they dont always do it, they will just come and go. I can often slap the side of the monitor and they will go away for the time being. Would this be considered the same problem, or something else. The oldest part in the computer is the Hard Drive (2001 ripped out of a dell dimension 8100) Video card purchased in 03' Nvidia geforce4 ti4200 128mb ram. Thanks
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From: Lon 5/11 and 5/21 posts on 06/10/2005
NEW VIDEO CARD -- Grey lines are gone. THANKS!!!!!
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From: Audrey on 06/01/2005
Wow! I'm so glad I found this site. I also have a NVIDIA TNT2 graphics card that is about five years old. A couple of days ago - POOF! Grey lines. Thanks for all the posting. I tried to update the driver from their website but saw no change afterward. I know what to do now to fix it. Unfortunately, at the same time my mouse and/or keyboard seems to be going also.

And Yes, my machine is dusty and hot! While I am it I guess I should clean it out in there!

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From: Echisketch on 05/30/2005
YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKING MORONS, YOU'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT GREY LINES WITH AN 8 YEAR OLD VIDEO CARD WITH A 10+ Y/O MONITOR, NVIDIA IS A DAMN GOOD COMPANY, THE FACT YOU WANT A REFUND IS UNBELIEVABLE.

REPLACE THAT ELECTRIC DOOR STOP WITH SOMETHING AT LEAST 3 YEARS AGO.

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From: Robert on 05/28/2005
Same here, grey lines. Just started the other day out of nowhere. I have a 5yr old Dell 4100 with a Nvidia TNT 2 M64 I believe. I'm not real PC savvy; how hard is it to change the video card without breaking something delicate? What's a good card, bang for the buck wise? I surf, play a few games but not many because of current PC limitations, and use the typical applications. It's always something ain't it?
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From: Anonymous on 05/26/2005
OK, simpletons: First, nVidia does not make video cards any more than Intel makes computers. Vitriol directed toward nV is like railing against 'those damned potato farmers' because you had a heart attack after eating McDonalds' french fries for 20 years.

Second, I know you love Mr Whiskers and all, but if you're going to let him sit on the computer, you're going to have to open it up and blow the hair and dust out of there once in a while. The crap I've seen gumming up some people's machines is shameful. Without some air circulation, heat will build up, and heat is a death sentence for electronics. Most of the problems here are with 3-4-5 year old cards, and I'll bet the PCs they are in are choked with dust.

Finally, electronic devices physically only last so long. Have you seen a 15 year old television that still looks as sharp as the first day it was plugged in? Transistor degradation, electrolyte drying in capacitors, physical strain.. eventually these incredibly complex systems are going to drift out of whack with eachother, and something's not going to work right. Maybe on a TNT2, you get grey lines. Maybe on an ATI it just stops working altogether! Heat accelerates the process. There's a reason you never see ten year warrantys on electronics.

So, get over it! Sell that 6 year old doorstop for ten bucks at the garage sale. A brand-new, perfectly functional computer can be had for less than $300 nowadays. And there are perfectly legitimate reasons to dislike nVidia, but "5 year old cards based on nVidia's chipsets eventually flake out when they spend their life in a hot dusty box" is not one of them.

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From: rtgalv on 05/24/2005
Does anyone know of a suitable replacement card for a: 8MB Nvidia TNT2? I just got the gray lines last week. I'm glad to have found this site. I am a computer novice so any suggestions for the replacement would be appreciated. The computer is 5 years old, and I do NO gaming......just basic computing and websurfing.

Suggestions on what to buy for CHEAP? Thank you

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From: BigJohnD on 05/21/2005
I too have suffered from the nVidia TNT2 horizontal grey lines.

It's an on-board nVidia TNT2, the mo-bo being Gigabyte GA 7ZMMP. This mo-bo is speific to Time Computers.

I have now successfully installed a PCI 64MB Radeon7000 as there is no AGP slot.
The card was £21.95 plus delivery and VAT from Misco Direct in Manchester.

It took a bit to figure out how to disable the on-board nVidia chip, but it done by finding "VGA Boot from" in the BIOS and setting it to "VGA". It would appear the default is "AGP" despite there being no AGP slot.

Windows detected the card immediately, the drivers were installed from the CD-ROM and after a couple of re-boots to detaect the monitor, all is well.

The new vid card has also released 8Mb (or was it 16Mb?) of system RAM too.

Time's phoneline help at a £1/min were useless.

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From: Lon(5/11post) on 05/21/2005
Victor, are you the same Victor that posts answers in the Dell support forums? Do you work for Dell? Just curious.
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From: victor(india) on 05/17/2005
hey guys
what happened is past for all of us. My sympathis for all of them who had to buy new Monitors uncalled for.But here is the lesson to be learned,and lesson to be taught....
learning part:
This is not the right place to put our anger..we have nvidia website to do that,We can search for stratuary world body for control of businesses and manufacturing practices and present our complaint with them beside this we have various online stores to provide feedback about manufacturers products.-thats learning part....

lesson to be taught:Its nvidia's tecnology and nvidia design engineers mistake prolly its a cheat with the customer who are paying through their nose on the sake of manufacturer's reputation. and suppose some doctor is using machine for life saving effort and the screen goes grey, blurred out of nowhere...

The most worst part of it is nvidia prolly knows this problem from mid 2002 year and they have done nothing not even a single apology to customers who have gone through hardship and costs on new monitor..

Fact: Most of the people who have provided feedback here were not hard gamers.they were just the normal users and most of card gone ...like within the year of out of warranty...Imagine if Nvidia has to replace every such card within warranty.
Mabbe ATi is not that old into graphics and their cards too can show such fate in future.

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From: my compouter!!! on 05/13/2005
ya i have a dell 8300....i have vertical lines on my screen i have ati 9800 pro i very mad b/c this video card was expensive(700) guess i have 2 get a new card OMG!!!!
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From: Fedup on 05/11/2005
Ok people, Nvidia geforce3...lines, lines and more lines. Dell says, not the monitor, Dell says update driver, Dell says oh gee you need a new video card. Dell says, sorry...warrenty's up. I say, after 2 monitors, 2 hard drives, 2 video cards, uninstalling windows, reinstalling windows, I have had enough. Dell Demension 8200 total price all in, state of the art at the time $5920.21 Dell piece of garbage. You would think they would just send me the $50.00 card and keep me as a customer. Nope. Thank you for choosing Dell. Well, no more Dell, no more Nvidia video cards. I am finally fed up. Sorry to hear there are others who are going through the same. Thank God I found this site.
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From: Lon on 05/11/2005
I have the gray lines. Got them yesterday while visiting my Comcast homepage. Everything was fine and then BAM! I had grey lines, faded colors, translucent fields, and thinner print. Did symantec full system virus check. Said no viruses. Contacted Dell forums. Told me to check monitor. Also told me to reload video card. Reloaded Nvidia geForce 256. Called Dell(India). Restarted me in Safe Mode. Told me I had a virus and could fix it for a price. Bought Dell in January 2000. Out of warranty. Hooked up different monitor. Lines still there. Googled for hours and then found this site. Looks like I will be getting a new video card. I wish Dell would have just told me what the problem was from the get go. Are the postings here legit or is this site run by the ATI sales rep? Are video cards hard to replace in my Dell Dimension? (P.S. My posting is legit. Frustrated in Minnesota).
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From: Harp on 05/10/2005
My gray lines appeared overnight, too. I've lived with the problem for a long time but had a chance to get another used monitor today and did so. Same grey lines. So I googled and found this. I have NVIDIA too. Whoever NVIDIA is, they certainly, certainly are invidious.
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From: Rob (UK) on 05/09/2005
Hi Guys,

Amazed at the number of replies to this i decided to share my experience with you.....may help solve the problem.

Ive experienced this problem twice now, first time about 6 months ago on my spare company desktop which was quite old and crap with a riva tnt 2 card. The grey streaks (as i can only describe them) are extremly vivid impossible to work on (I dont work there anymore so i dont care!) had to put an ATi card in. Secondly only this week where my nForce gForce2 onboard card seems to be beginning to show the same thing however only very faintly at the moment. Two things: both may be wild coincidence but both are on-board cards and the symtoms started about the same time as I tried using the linux driver from the nvidia site (not the one that come s with distros like fedora etc.) My guess was I might have been acidently driving them too hard by not setting them up correctly but im not sure now.

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From: Norman on 05/04/2005
Damm... I wonder if mine counts but I've got multi-coloured lines across my screen. I'm using a Nvidia Geforce 128mb card... Sucks...
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From: Shane on 05/01/2005
I have a Nvidia Lanta and i just got the grey lines, it follows every application i open, this is rediculous, lets file a lawsuit against nvidia
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From: Jayen on 04/30/2005
Argh, I also have this problem. I have a Creative Labs Annihilator 2 with a GeForce 2. ARGH!!!
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From: Chris on 04/29/2005
Add me to the list. NVidia Geforce 256.. Thank God for forums.
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From: Robert on 03/22/2005
Ampton MB with Aladdin TNT2 agp port. I rarely use a monitor but recently decided to set up a KVM and run KDE. There are streaks of grey lines and the color is washed out. This occurs looking at bios settings without and o/s running. Board is about 12 months old and has never had a monitor hooked up until a week ago. I am surprised at the prevalence of this issue.
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From: greyghost on 03/21/2005
Same problem here! After months (on and off!) of searching settings and other windows help we were lucky enough to find someone to loan us their good monitor and the horizontal shadowing persisted. I had a flash of what it could be today and came on-line...this wasn't what I thought, but we have a nearly 7 yr old (ANCIENT) Gateway with - YOU GUESSED IT - NVIDIA. I'm seeing some people saying go to ATI, others say stay away from ATI...anyone have a great suggestion on a card?? Great string!!
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From: graylineblues on 03/10/2005
Yes, I got da gray line blues... I have a Compaq Presario 7000Z Series Model 7PLM11 with a CV735 Monitor. It came with an NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro video card and one day **POOF** the horizontal gray lines appeared out of no where. I Googled and voila! I found this BBS with all you nice people who share in my misery of being faced with shopping for a nice new video card. I too tried updating my drivers, uninstalling/reinstalling them, etc...all to no avail. I've had the computer since 1999, so I guess I did get my money's worth. Oh well, happy shopping!
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From: Larry on 03/06/2005
One thing to look for first is some other electronic device interfering with your PC. I set up a 13" tv on top of my computer desk, and not too long after I started getting the gray lines. It was driving me crazy. I have a geforce TI4600 and thought maybe it was that. Then I did some more searching and found out about the interference factor. I unplugged the TV, and sure enough it stopped the gray lines problem.
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From: Ruthie on 03/05/2005
Add me to the grey lines club as well. I was watching when my NVidia GeForce2 MX 32MB card flickered then greylined on me. Those neon greens and reds are giving me headaches! This card lasted 4 years, I suppose that's a good run. I am looking to purchase an ATI Radeon 9200 as soon as possible. Thanks for this group, I also wondered if it could be the monitor :)
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From: ledhead on 02/25/2005
grey lines for me as well.
video card: 32 MB Diamond Viper nVidia RIVA TNT2
Dell 1999 machine
Tried three different monitors and they all look faded, with grey lines appearing when i pull up an application.

This thread definitely helped me.
Thanks.

-guess ATI or something non nVidia...

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From: Dave on 02/08/2005
To all those who posted similar issues with the gray lines issue since my original post, (01-18-05) I can tell you that without a doubt it's indeed the
nVidia graphics card! (see my original post below)

I have since replaced that card with a GigiByte R-70 (ATI based card)
and the gray line problem is now history!

-Dave

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From: pierre on 02/06/2005
i got this same exact problem too. one minute the thing was fine and then all of a sudden these horisontal grey lines appear on my monitor (hp mx70)wherever there's text and such. Im running on a pentium 3 hp with win ME and an nvidia graphics card (the one that came with it). I looked all around for a solution but i couldn't find any useful advice that i hadn't tried already. At first i thought it was the monitor but now i think it's probably the video card. i guess i'll have to save up for a new one... :-/
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From: Matt on 02/05/2005
Hey Guys, I've got this grey line and neon looking colour problem to, But what exactly is the problem?? Thanks
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From: umi on 02/01/2005
So... I am having this problem as well. I have a Nividia GeForce 256 32mb that came with my dell computer. Months ago, I encountered the terrible gray streak/line problem. I endured it for a while, since I had my laptop. Finally, i bought a new monitor. And... wouldn't you know... the problem persisted. I wish I would have googled the problem much earlier. I was so sure that it was a monitor thing after updating drivers didn't work. You can be sure that I will never be buying a NVidia ever again...
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From: Robert Strickland on 01/28/2005
i to an having overnight gray lines coming off the right hand side of my icons or to to right of anything on the screen. I just bought a new monitor. thanks to you i can get it fixed correctly
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From: Zach on 01/24/2005
Me too! My computer is a 3 year-old Gateway and I recently bought a new Nvida GeForce4 graphics card about 3 months ago and out of nowhere tonight the gray lines showed up. I can only really see it on a black screen though. Thanks to you guys i now know what the problem is.
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From: Ray on 01/22/2005
Unbelievable. Thanks to everyone for the info.
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From: jim on 01/18/2005
i have yet another Dell PC with NVidia card (GeForce2 GTS) with GREY LINES and increasingly neon-like color intensity. Like many others, I too bought a new monitor (had really been wanting one of these flat screen beauties anyway!), but it did nothing to resolve the problem. After reinstalling all drivers did nothing, i turned to Google and found myself with lots of company. As many below have stated, I will never buy Nvidia again and Dell has lost some of its luster in my book for not recalling/replacing these defective cards. Now, to bed and tomorrow to CompUSA for an ATI card I go!
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From: Dave on 01/18/2005
Geez, I just read a number of these replies and almost laughed!
I was amazed that so many others are dealing with this gray line
phenomenon! Well guess what folks, yet another victim to add to
this growing club. ME!!!

I was minding my business (as we all were I'm sure) and suddenly
my Dell monitor (trinitron tube based) got dim, and these gray lines
appeared. Like many, I assumed it was the monitor, afterall it's about
6 years old. So I swapped the Dell out for a ViewSonic A-70 that was
only used sparingly from my other system, and I'll be damned, the same problem was there.

By now common sense is telling me it must be my graphic card. Which
is why I almost laughed out loud! My card is a 32 MB Diamond Viper
nVidia RIVA TNT2 (AGP 4X) Imagine my surprise upon finding out that
most of these folks having this problem are also using nVidia based
cards!

Can I assume that most of you guys that replaced your cards are
out of the woods and back to happy computing bliss? And is this
problem indeed more common with nVidia based cards that say
ATI based ones?

(Great forum, BTW!)

-Dave

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From: Roger on 01/16/2005
Me too!

I might not spend the money for a new card, though. The lines are distracting, but it's not that bad. My computer is almost obsolete. Maybe I will waste less time on the internet because of it.

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From: Chris on 12/30/2004
I have the same problem on a Nvidia Vanta. Of course I diodn't get to this site until after I had bought another monitor! Of course problem didn't go away! Will go get a ATI card today... Thanks.
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From: Luis on 12/27/2004
Yes problem solved thank you google! Now I wonder what kind of graphics card do I need.

BTW I had an NVidia Vanta
on a Hp Pavillion

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From: chinobino on 12/26/2004
Well. It looks like I've come to the right place... Aladdin Pro TNT2 8MB VRAM 3 and a half years old - BLOODY GREY LINES! Just happened overnight. This is my second bad experience with Nvidia.

I bought a Geforce 5600 FX in May 2002 and after just 8 months I noticed colourful speckles when in 3D mode... I immediately investigated the card and sure enough the stupid fan's stopped! I took it off and looked at the back of it - completely melted! It was actually heating the GPU up instead of cooling it down! Got it replaced on warranty - should have got a refund... I have an ATI 9600XT now - and it rips! Even has an onboard temp sensor... this is a necessity not an optional extra (imagine buying a car with no thermostat!)... I am soooo tempted to say Nvidia SUX and ATI rules but I won't coz it's really up to the card MANUFACTURERS (i.e Sparkle, Leadtek, MSI, HIS, Asus, GexCube, Auriga and yes, Nvidia too!) to ensure the product is of a high quality. Nvidia may design the chipset but they are not COMPLETELY at fault (just mostly!!!)

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From: Zooty on 12/22/2004
It's the video card.

BTW, the guy at CompUSA tried to tell me that I needed a video card that retailed for $399.00. I was stunned. I thought, "No way. I could buy a better computer for less than twice that amount." After I deliberated awhile, I asked a bystander whether he thought I needed such a card. He said, "Not if you're not playing really high-tech video games" and he pointed me to a $50.00 video card that he said was no-frills but would get the job done.

It did. Make sure you price what you're looking for before you go out to buy it.

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From: Zooty on 12/21/2004
Boy, am I happy I found YOU guys! I too was about to buy a new monitor to replace a Dell flat screen 18-inch beauty that's barely out of the warranty period. Then I called Dell tech support and spent three hours following instructions to do totally inane and feckless crap to my computer until I finally decided to run a Google search while he put me on hold to consult his handbook for the umpteenth time (or take a lunch break somewhere outside New Dehli). Fifteen seconds later -- Presto! Here I am, and now *I'm* the one telling HIM about the problem. Thank God for the information age. Two thousand years ago, I would never have found you guys. Of course, I probably wouldn't have owned a Dell PC either. I'd have been wandering around the Mediterranean coast, trying to avoid being disembowled by Roman soldiers.

I'm buying a video card tomorrow and will report back on my progress in case I have anything useful to share.

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From: Kaiser on 12/19/2004
A new member to the "horizontal gray lines" club :( . I have the Creative Labs 3D Blaster Annihilator Pro card. the day before yesterday, I tried to download a linux iso file to try it out. Since it was going to take all night long (17 hours -twas an entire CD ) I figured i would just turn the monitor off and let my computer running 'til the morning. When I woke up, Found the little surprise: Gray lines everywhere... I was thinkng of buying a new monitor but mercifully, Google pointed me toward you guys. Happy to know I am not the only one... Yet sad to know that I'd have to buy a new card for this piece of junk laying on the floor. I think I'm just gonna buy a new computer, I was thinking of doing so for quite a while now :).
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From: Daniel on 12/15/2004
Glidergirl, a couple of cards (on the ATi side) comparable to your Geforce 2 include the following:

If your card is a Geforce 2 MX: ATi Radeon 7200/7500
If your card is a Geforce 2 GTS/Pro/Ti/Ultra: ATi Radeon 8500

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From: Glidergirl on 12/10/2004
Question: What is a comparable video card? What would be a good one for the next year or so (don't plan to upgrade this year)? I'm a heavy graphics user, not a gamer.
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From: Glidergirl on 12/10/2004
I, too, have a Nvidia (Geoforce2), and got the gray horizontal lines yesterday. My computer is less than 2 years old. Why is this company not replacing these free of charge? With this track record, they should.
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From: Goodgrief on 12/04/2004
Grey lines on mother in laws screen. New drivers didn't help. Guess what? Nvidea card. Hmmmm wonder where my problem lies. Didn't realize they had such a problem.
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From: Daniel on 11/23/2004
Following up my previous message:
The short AGP Vanta was an Aztech, while the card that temporarily replaced it was an Asus based on the reference design. So I returned it in exchange for an ATi Rage XL (probably OEM w/ 6ns SDRAM) and that was that. No more ugly grayness.
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From: Daniel on 11/22/2004
Before I found this, I thought this was limited to Nvidia Vanta cards (TNT2 M64, Vanta, and LT) in HP and Compaq AMD systems. Just got a used TNT M64 (short AGP) to replace a "grayed" Asus (reference design) board and that is grayed, even worse! This is the fourth gray Vanta I've run into (and one of those is an OEM Vanta LT w/ 6ns SDRAM). The common denominator for those cards was that they had no GPU heatsink. The three orignal cards were OK for 2-4 years. Man, oh man...
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From: Randy on 11/21/2004
Tried to help a friend with this problem on her Gateway a year ago and couldn't fix the problem. She gave me the same PC today and I remembered the lines on the screen (32MB TNT2) so I find this thread and was surprised to see so many others having the same problem.
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From: I heart lines on 11/19/2004
Sign me up for the grey lines club. Just happened last night. Glad I found this before I ran out and got a new monitor.

Like all of you, it happened overnight. All so sudden...

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From: Bill on 10/26/2004
Ben (hot-head) - your problem is you did not read or understand the postings. Everyone here knows that their NVIDIA cards have overheating problems and self destruct after 2-3 years. The fact is - NVIDIA overheats, and ATI does not.
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From: ben on 10/26/2004
Hello..... can you say fan say it with me now and maybee spell it F.A.N. it looks like you people have video cards that are overheating!! if you have gotten to they "grey line" phase then you card is shot! don't be a dummy check your video cards temp. Just like a CPU a GPU cannot handle too much heat... if you got your CPU really hot and it broke would you be sitting here saying "oh AMD sux my CPU just died" ....get a brain!
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From: Sean on 10/16/2004
i've been useing Nvidia cards for around 10 years.
So far, I have used...
Riva TNT, GeForce2 GTS, MSI GeForce FX 5900(SP)256, ChainTech GeForce 6800GT. I was about 8 years old with the Riva TNT, so, really I dont rember it too well. but I do rember it lived till the end of it's days when we upgraded to GeForce2.
Now my GeForce2 was a real trooper. I had the sucker OverClocked 20%+ for like... 3 years!!! WHAM BAM! Ran like a kitten. Finally upgraded when I couldnt play modern games.
Got a MSI GeForce 5900(SP) 256. It was basically a GeForce5900 chip on a 5900 Ultra board. Ran great. OCed it about 20%. for around 6 months. Joined army, and went to basic, knee was injured, and discharged. I got home and bought a GeForce 6800GT, with my new-found cash, along with doom3. Well, Me being the dareing sucker I am. I OCed the card... only got 15% out of it, but what was weird, was it felt like processor crashes... Come to find out, I need a bigger power supply to OC it more. It's not like it's already faster than a 625$ GeForce 6800 Ultra, and like 30%+ faster than a 625$ ATi.

Looking at this info, it seems the problem is mostly limited to GeForce 256.
Also, the problem feels familar. It could be the card becomes un-seated. It happens. Espeically after 3+ years. I've had more problems than I can count with visual issues, and stuff, but it's always something I caused, and nothing I couldnt fix.

Moral of the Story.
Computers are un-reliable.
Cant blame ATi, they werent even around in that time. less chip fabing experience... meaning the cards of theirs your buying today, are like the Nvidia cards your trying to get away from.

Love ya all. Buy a ATI. It's your cash, not mine.
-Sean

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From: pissed and grey on 10/12/2004
yeah i found my answers here thanks people! woohoo i thought i was alone.
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From: alex on 10/04/2004
Hey, what s*** are u telling here? read your thread, bought an Ati 9600xt and: video issues only! before I had a gf4ti4200 and had no kind of problems except of the slow performence...
I am gonna bu a 5900xt now and NO MORE ATI! ATI SUXXX!
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From: groc on 09/25/2004
Wow. I am amazed to find this site. Everybody just about described what happened to mine. geforce 2 32mb etc...grrrrr....
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From: Fish on 09/21/2004
Phew! You guys saved me. i'm looking to get a card to last my "media centre" computer for the rest of its life (3 years?) I was looking at second hand Nvidias - screw that! screw Nvidia! Im getting an ATI
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From: Hemp on 09/03/2004
I can't believe how common this problem is among nvida cards, I thought I was alone. This is my second time now seing these damm gray lines.The first time was with the first nvidia card I had installed, I replaced it another nvidia card and it was fine untill today when I was trying to take out that damm begin2search bar which is a total bitch then the gray lines appeared and I just got really pissed and wanted to trash my computer. There's one good thing that came out of this though, I finnally feel like building a new computer (:
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From: Wayne on 08/29/2004
I was running a GeForce 256 DDR on an ASUS P3V4X with an Intel 667 MHz processor (Cyrix?) when I developed the infamous grey streaks. The fan had crapped out (as is common with nVidia cards) and I figured I'd just baked the chip. I went to the comp shop down the street and picked up a used video card just to get by... a Diamond Viper V770D 32M AGP... and the streaks were still there. I struggled with drivers upgrades and flashed the bios... I WAS just going to find out if I could flash the video bios on the card until I found this site. It looks like I just swapped out crap with crap. Oh, well... thanks for all the informative testimonials ladies and gentlemen. Good luck with your ATI cards.
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From: TomH on 08/27/2004
Im having the exactly same problem. Bought this card from my cousin who had it in his storage for awhile and last time he used it was working ok without problems. I installed it and voila, gray lines / shadow accross the screen.
Ive got this computer as server throu remote desktop so i dont need to see those nasty lines. Problem is how "dangerous" it would be to use the GFX card with this mysterious problem?

Cheers.

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From: Scott on 08/27/2004
I posted on 6/03/04 on the gray lines issue (scroll back and read that post for background info). My Wife's computer had the same problem about 30 days later. It sounds like an epidemic! I replaced her card as well (She had a 16MB Nvidia TNT, I believe) with the 128 GeForce MX 4000 I put in mine). I did have a couple of cranky problems that occurred with both the installations in my computer and hers. Here's a couple of tips if you replace the card yourself:

I'm an amatuer, no computer genius, so if someone has some tips or corrections to this, PLEASE post them!

- you may have to update your BIOS if you replace your card (this can cause irrepairable damage if done incorrectly. Go to your computer brand's website to check to see if there's a BIOS update). Our computers are an HP Pavilion and a Compaq 5000US with Windows Millenium Edition. Make sure the bios update is for your make and model EXACTLY. Once you "flash" the BIOS, it's done, no system restores or reformats will change it.

The long and short of it was that both cards worked fine and I got rid of some reboot freezes that were occuring.

- if you have several devices in your PCI slots, you may have to relocate them. Your machines have IRQ settings, locations, numbering 1 through possibly 15. Your graphics card should be the only thing on whatever IRQ number is listed. Things may crash if you have multiple things like I had - WINTV card, ethernet adapters, etc. Do some research online into these issues prior to attempting the change.

I ultimately reformatted my HD because I had never done it in the 5 yrs I had the machine - it was due. The things I did above along with the reformat have my machine working better than when it was brand new! NO blue screens or freeze ups in a month now (maybe a record).

I hope all this helps - I read a couple of "expert" sites when my problem occured.These are sites where you have to pay for the answers, and they claimed the monitor was shot! So much for expert opinion!

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From: Dave on 08/24/2004
My 32meg Geforce 256 went grey on me last week. I was watching when it happened, just a small flicker then grey lines. So i picked up a Radeon 9200 as a replacement. Oh well. Maybe i will get 4 years out of this card.
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From: Alisa on 08/12/2004
My computer was fine last nite! Came down to use it this morning and viola, horizontal gray lines extending from the text and the graphics. I have a Dell Dimension 4100 with a P780 monitor on 32MB DDR NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS. From what I am reading it sounds like I will be needing a new graphics card. My problem is I don't know how to install a new graphics card. Please Help!!!
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From: Erin on 08/11/2004
Well, add our name to the list, our NVIDIA Aladdin TNT2 card is shot - and the grey lines are here to haunt us. My parents thought it was something my sister did when she was home from University - so she'll ne happy to know she was just home at the wrong time - when this thing decided to go. I'm off to get a new video card and install it - any help in this regard would be helpfull.
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From: serge on 08/05/2004
Hi everybody,

I'm French and just joined the "horizontal gray lines club" too.
I've just finished reading 2 years of complaints for the exact same problem!!This is really crazy.
It started overnight for me too and at first I thought it was because I had opened my PC a few times and I wondered whether I had touched or damaged something. So I opened it up again, it was dusty but seemed OK. So I checked on the Net with French keywords but couldn't find anything really similar. Then I started thinking about buying a new monitor or even a new PC!!! Fortunately I tried Google with English keywords (good side of being bilingual lol)and found this amazing page... a real shame, a lot of people in the "industry" surely know about this problem, but I haven't read anything about this before (in France or on the net) so I guess it WAS a well kept secret...
thanks for your replies, I know what to do now... NO MORE NVIDIA

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From: John on 08/04/2004
I have the same problem. I was playing a game and when I was done I went to bed. The next day my computer had gray lines coming off everything. Not to mention that now my laptop has the same problem.
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From: Bas on 07/26/2004
I have just joined the "Horizontal Gray Line" club. After reading all the complaints it seems I should replace the nvidia with an ATI card. I am no expert - which ATI card should I purchase and will it be compatible to my computer without causing further problems when installed?
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From: Lisa on 07/12/2004
My Mom had this prob. We went thru all the same tweaks y'all did. I am completely happy that we are not alone. Go figure. We were really frustrated until we found this thread. Now we are happy not to be alone in this problem. Not to mention the total enlightenment. We bought a new monitor too, which helped because we have better control over the contrast/brightness to make the gray lines fade a little bit. But the daggone gray lines are still there sometimes. The monitor we bought is one of those flat screens (LiquidVideo TFT-LCD). You know sumpn? Why don't the monitor companies just include the Video cards with the monitors? I don't suppose anyone ever thought of that before. Well, anyway, thank you fellow Grey-Liners!
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From: Glenn on 07/11/2004
Too bad I didn't find this page a few weeks ago. Dell 4100 system with nVidia GeForce 256 32MB card (OEM), bought 10/2000, now out of warranty. Gray lines appeared about a month ago. Connected a different monitor, same problem. So I concluded it was the video card, but figured it was just one of those random things that can happen to any piece of hardware, so I bought another card and installed it today.

Problem is, I BOUGHT ANOTHER nVIDIA card!! Diamond S70 GeForce2 MX400 AGP 64MB, paid $38.50 from newegg.com. Had I known this was a common nVidia problem and not just random I would have surely bought an ATI card instead.

On top of this, this new card (which looks good for now - no gray lines) is much noisier than the old one (that's how I found this page, doing a Google search on "noisy fan nvidia"). This sucker sounds like an airplane ready to take off. Maybe they've beefed up the fan design because of this problem?

I hate to spend any more on this old system by buying yet another card. This new one has a 1 year warranty, so I guess I'm covered for that long, but I'll have to get used to this noise.

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From: Jonathan on 07/08/2004
Same problem as just about the whole page... Nvidia Vanta 64 is about 2 yr's old... Gray lines just like everyone else... So I went with my ATI Rage Fury Maxx... Well it's shit... Sooooo... Going to get a new one as soon as possible... I need something with Hardware T&L anyways...
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From: michael on 07/08/2004
I have a RIVA TNT2 pro 32MB card and the problem with the grey lines only appears when i switch from monitor to my TV. Is this the first stage of my video card "dieing"? I have had the video card for 3-4 years.
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From: ssm on 06/22/2004
Got same problem of “suddenly developed horizontal gray lines across the screen”. Had about 5-8 computers at work with “ELSA GLoria II-64”card. All seems to have same problems. Is there any recalls???
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From: Dammit on 06/15/2004
Yep, I got this problem all of a sudden over the weekend. Everything cool, turned monitor off for some tv, back on a few mins later and grey lines streaking the entire screen length anywhere there is text or dark images, colors are either faded or neon. Updating drivers did nothing. Thank god I found this site on Google.
Nvidia Geforce2 MX/400 is the bastard.
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From: Brendan on 06/13/2004
I'm running an NVidia GeForce 256 on my Dell 4100 and just last week started getting the horizontal gray lines. Thought it was a virus or something a game screwing with my driver. Borrowed a monitor from my Dad and still get the lines. Thankfully I found this site with Google. I guess it's off to Best Buy to buy a new graphics card. I thought Nvidia was supposed to be a good brand.
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From: Pepper on 06/10/2004
Wish I had seen this first. I got the grey lines as I was preparing to move, and figured I'd dump my monitor before the move and get a new one after I moved. Got a new one in the new house, and you guessed it -- grey lines. It's the card, now I'm sure. Thanks for the postings.
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From: Scott on 06/03/2004
Hi all - I'm glad I found this column before I went out and bought a new monitor. The graphics card was the culprit. I bought an Asylum GeForce 4000 128MB NVidia card. You can't really blame NVidia if your card is three or more years old. A graphics card is a consumable in a computer - they don't last forever. My card was 4+ yrs old and was only an 8MB card. This new one, which not state of the art technology at this point, is 50 times better than the card your computer came with. This card only cost $79.99 at Best Buy. It's well worth the investment.And it eats up much less system resources. There - my 2 cents.....
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From: Chris on 05/22/2004
This problems happened to my roomate's computer about a week after it happened to mine. Luckily for him, he was still in warranty, as I am not. It seems to me that these video cards were produced in a systematically substandard way. NVIDIA is going to (hopefully) lose a lot of business over this. I'd really love a new videocard, but I know it will never happen.
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From: Dirk on 05/21/2004
Howdy... Went to Staples and bought an ATI... it is the RADEON 7000 (we don't do any gaming). The gray lines are gone. Yeah!
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From: Dirk on 05/21/2004
Hey Fellow Gray-Liners...

My wife called me at work yesterday and said our monitor was on the fritz... I brought home a left-over Dell 17 in monitor and you guessed it, same stupid lines. I uninstalled the Video Card software, then I couldn't find it supported on the NVIDIA website. I will be going with ATI... I will let you know how it works out...

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From: Mustafa on 05/17/2004
same problem. 3 years old NVIDIA Geforce 256. Damn it.
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From: Wil on 05/05/2004
I have always had the most beautifully calibrated monitor possible until last night. I left my computer to go make a sandwich. When I came back, I discovered that the colors on my monitor appeared to be dim looking. Then upon a closer observation, I discovered that I had horizontal grey lines all over the screen, especially where text was located. Today I'm going to go and plug my monitor up to a friend's computer to see if I get the same result. If it doesn't then I know that the culprit is no other than my 4 year old Nvidia Riva TNT2 Model 64. I used to build computers for Gateway for a living for three years, so I will be going inside of this baby for the first in 4 years to have a look at that graphics card.
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From: Max on 04/27/2004
Same problem here. I have a Gateway from 1999, and today I randomly got gray horizontal lines on the screen. Bright colors are even more neon. Thank goodness that I found this thread, because I was sure it was my monitor, which has been getting progressively darker through the years. I'll make sure to stay away from any NVIDIA products from now on.
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From: They got me too... on 04/26/2004
I had a PC custom built for me a few years ago with a GeForce DDR video card, I had a bit of trouble with it and my friend lent me his (you guessed it) Riva TNT64....It was running great till about a year and a half or 2 years later when I started getting all these grey shadows across it. I installed new drivers, reformated, bought compressed air and blew what seemed like a carpet of dust out of my computer. Nothing worked. Remembering my old video card, I threw it in and all the lines were gone!!!....for a few months. What a surprise...they are both Nvidia cards.
Fuck Nvidia.
Fuck them up their stupid asses.
The second I finish writing this I'm going to go buy a new ATI card.
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From: Tim on 04/17/2004
My wifes computer, a Dell with an nVidia RIVA TNT2 Model 64, began to show the grey lines one day. Today we just picked up a brand new Samsung 19" monitor, and what do you know, same damn grey lines. I'm getting a new video card tomorrow. It will not be an nVidia card. I am quite disappointed with nVidia for having a poor support site, and there was no mention of this problem at Dell's site. I will be sending this URL to both companies, and then perhaps Dell and the other manufacturers can justly punish nVidia for a crappy card. I like others on this list was also once a very happy nVidia customer. Not anymore.

nVidia - Learn to pay attention to your problems. This chain goes back to 2002. It is the 18th of April 2004. Publish what you're willing to do for your customers if you dare!!!

Dell - Pay very close attention to who you do business with. You only hurt yourself when you fail to publish information on what I consider should be a recall of various nVidia cards.

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From: Anthony on 04/09/2004
Just experienced the same gray line issue last week with my 3 year old Dell 4100 system. My wife called me at work and said it just happened. Of Course, I was thinking what did you do? Came home and thought it was the monitor (E770s) like everyone else. Did searches on Google but unfortunately did not find this site prior to purchasing a new E773s monitor. Plugged it in. You guessed it - same issue. Naturally I was then able to find this site. Didn't think I changed my search criteria but must have. I'll be buying a new ATI card as well.
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From: death to NVIDIA products on 04/03/2004
Those lousy bastards. The company should go out of business. Probably a cheap capacitor or a way them to scrape anothe 10 cents of profit. For every post here, I bet there are 5000 you never hear about - no kidding.

NVIDIA eat shit

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From: Sting on 04/02/2004
Hi JASON

Can u help me?

Ive ordered a cheap Trident AGP 4x 3D Force G-32 video card. I just installed it. Ips appears on screen lines, lines and freeze! Ive downloades the "latest" driver from JATON site.
YOU said "Installing the driver was a little tricky but I did..."

CAN YOU or anyone help me?????

Bye
www.clanpana.com

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From: Wes on 03/29/2004
Holy Crap!! I thought I was the only one in the world with this problem until I found this thread. My story: 4 year old diamond viper 770 tnt2 ultra, grey lines with every image on my monitor. Finally talked the wife into a brand new monitor, got it home yesterday and man was I pissed. Lines still there. Anyone got a good suggestion on a cheap mid line graphics card, I don't game on my pc much anymore.

Thanks

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From: Joe on 03/27/2004
I've got 3 tnt2 cards 8, 16, 32 MB. All Smeary in the same way but to different degrees. One came off the somebody else's machine, I guess it kept getting worse, but he got used to it. It was so smeared small thin characters were about impossible.

I've seen a reference to geforce256 doing this as well. I haven't seen anything for earlier or later cards. Does it start with TNT2? Are the later ones going the same way? Is possibly just a cooling issue?

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From: Tag on 03/27/2004
I have this same card in a Dell. After 3.5 years, on 3/26/2004, my gray streaks appeared. This is obviously a borderline design in this card. At least it is cheaper than getting a new monitor.
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From: Curt on 03/22/2004
My system is a 128MB RAM, with a 16MB NVidia TNT2 M64 Graphics card. If I did not want to buy more memory, should I go with around a 16MB card again, or maybe up to 32 or 64? What would be a good card in that range?

Thanks in advance

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From: Bill on 03/22/2004
Same problem, same culprit (4 year old TNT64). Tried upgrading the drivers before I found this thread. I'm off to get a new video card. I'll be sure never to buy another Nvidia product. Thanks to all for the info.
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From: Phil C on 03/22/2004
Just got in over the weekend and found grey smears across everything, switched monitors same problem, ran VNC viewed fine from another computer. Was about to start messing with the Nvidia drivers (TNT64 4 years old) when I thought I'd check the 'net to see if anyone else had these problems. Nvidia's site was useless, but google brought up this thread. Now I'm ordering a new card
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From: Curt on 03/20/2004
Thanks, everyone. I'm glad I found this site.

Compaq computer, 3.5 years old, NVIDIA Riva TNT2 64 Pro.

You think they plan this out JUST so it makes the three-year warranty?

Checking eBay right now for ATI's.

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From: rsaxman on 03/09/2004
Same problem (with a 32 Mb GeForce 256 AGP 4x) - horizontal gray shadowing stretched across screen where text appears - even during bootup when "WINDOWS" logo displays. Graphics (e.g., ".jpg" files) display fine as long as there is no text. I uninstalled/reinstalled drivers to no avail. I then purchased the same card -"refurbished" (inexpensive), thinking that this would be a quick solution without taking a lot of time cleaning out out NVIDIA drivers, etc. before going to ATI. The "refurbished" card had the same problem.

Solution - went to http://www.videocardupgrade.com/ and followed all steps to upgrade to a new video card compatible with my motherboard.
I now have an ATI All-In-Wonder 9600 Pro and NO MORE HORIZONTAL GRAY LINES.

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From: megapsy on 03/06/2004
My SOLUTION to the horizontal grey line.

Same problem as the rest of you folks, distracting horizontal grey lines. They appear on and off on my monitor, when they appear, I just run a game like railroad tycoon 3 and then quit. the horizontal grey lines disappears, don't know if it will work for the rest of you but it's probably worth a try.

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From: Frank on 02/23/2004
when I started my pc yesterday morning, I had the grey lines, very distracting, I called a repairman this morning he installed a new video card "Sis6326 and new drivers, as they bill me for repairs i called the office, the lady said the card was about $35.00 plus labor which is $60.00 per hr, he was here 45 min, while he was here he fine tuned every thing else, my picture is sharper than it has ever been, solved my problems, I have a Compaq running windows ME, hope this might be a help to sum of you,this pc is 3 1/2 yrs old
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From: motaman on 02/17/2004
Same problem here. Opened case and the fan wasn't running. Time to get new card...
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From: Al on 02/17/2004
I too am glad to see I'm not alone in this problem. I have the Nvidia TNT card in a Gateway computer. I'm thankful especially that I don't have to fool around with Gateway's "Technical Support," but am sorry some of you had to do it. I'll replace the video card and hope the Gateway computer will accept it, which it has not done with some other hardware. My theory is that in this generation of computer, Gateway coded the registry to make it difficult to interchange hardware. I'm glad this is my work computer and I have a compaq at home.
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From: Bergis on 02/15/2004
I just want to add my experience here, I had a GeForce 256 DDR in my system for 3 1/2 years and this morning, while I was in win2000 browsing the web, the grey lines and washed out colors appeared... I was afraid it could be the monitor, so I tried it on another computer and it was fine. Then I rebooted the pc and went into linux, because if it was a driver problem under windows, everything would still be fine under linux (different os, different drivers). You can guess the grey lines were still there, so I had no choice than to admit it was probably a hardware problem.

I opened up the pc and saw that the video card's fan was jammed, but it had almost no dirt it (the fan is facing down when the card is installed, so not much dirt accumulates). I don't know, maybe all the fan's lubricants dried up after time and at one time it stopped. My computer is on all the time.

I ordered an ati 9200 today. Didn't go with a top of the line video card, because it wouldn't make sense since I don't have a powerful enough cpu to push a high end video card to the limit.

I was almost glad to see I am not alone with this issue :(

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From: Charles on 02/13/2004
Same Problem here with the horizontal grey shadows. I just brought a brand new monitor, and they are still here. I have the dreaded Nvidia Riva TNT2 64MB video card. I guess its the card. I thought very highly of Nvidia before this. No more Nvidia for me.
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From: Mike on 02/01/2004
I didn't originally find this thread because I didn't know my problem was the "gray" or "horizontal" problem. I thought it was the ghost problem.

I too have an Nvidia card (Riva TNT2 Model 64). All of a sudden, after about 3.5 years, I got the dreaded gray problem.

Thank you to all of you who contributed to this posting. I almost bought a new monitor and almost even a new computer. Now, I will just buy a new ATI video card. I'm pissed that Gateway played around with me for hours on their technical chat room boards when they must have known right away about this Nvidia card problem.

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From: Dave on 01/20/2004
I am not aware of a solution other than replacing the card, nor have I seen evidence that it won't happen again if you stick with NVIDIA and decide to purchase another one of their cards (I did not and I am very happy with my ATI card). Something I haven't seen in these postings is any success stories with contacting the vendor. Does anyone happen to have access to an NVIDIA support site where they can post the URL of this site? NVIDIA should see these postings and offer a response to all these problems!
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From: Devin on 01/19/2004
I developed the same problem. I have a NVIDIA Geforce 256, it's about 3 years old. It sounds exactly like all the cases here. Did anyone find any solution (even temporary) besides getting a new card?
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From: Donna on 01/18/2004
I had the same problem with my NVIDIA TNT2 card, horizontal grey lines. I have a HP Pavilion 8860, operating system WinMe....ya I know (horrible system hehe). I followed the advice on this page. I went to Circuit City yesterday and bought a ATI Radeon 9200 (128MB) graphics card. Very happy!! Thought while I'm at it and bought more RAM. Remember when to uninstall your graphics card (via add/remove) before installing your new card. Also I had to install the driver and other software that came with the Video card in order for the correct driver to be installed. This graphics card had good reviews on the Circuit City web site (4.5 from over 60 feedbacks). Thanks guys for posting your solutions to this problem. You deserve a pat on the back!
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From: So that's it? on 12/20/2003
Mine went right in front of my eyes - fine one second, the next I had light grey lines extending right across the screen from text, pictures etc and colours gone all neon. Also have the dreaded NVIDIA GeForce256, but it was disabled due to crashing Windows problems that it was causing, but the monitor is still plugged in to it.
Glad to hear it is only the video card & not the monitor.
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From: Qwerty on 12/10/2003
It was almost a relief to find this page and see that I'm not the only one with this problem. My card is also Nvidia, about 3 years and 6 months old. Developed grey bands overnight, then miraculously "healed itself" for a week or so, then - BOOM! - grey lines again. Colours all washed out, everything dirty-looking, have to squint to read emails, gets on your nerves. So, time to change the video card? Problem is, everyone on this board says they're going to change the card, but couldn't find anyone who actually did and got some result.
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From: Edward on 11/13/2003
I have an nvidia tnt2 m64 (32mb) video card and I developed gray, orange, and purple stripes, but is the problem the monitor?

I have a 21" Dell Ultrascan 1600HS monitor (model 1626HT) that was running great until today. I walked away from my computer and came back to it to notice that the monitor screen had darkened somewhat and had strangely colored (gray, orange, and purple) horizontal lines; I could make out the underlying windows and dialog boxes that I had opened on the screen, but there were these very strange horizontal lines discoloring everything.

I've tried unplugging then replugging the monitor, have updated the video card drivers, and have even plugged this monitor up to a different computer (w/ a different video card), but the horizontal lines still appear. If I select the recentering button on the monitor itself, however, occasionally the screen will go back to the correct colors, and then a few seconds later it will revert to those strange horizontal lines.

So the monitor is capable of giving the correct colors, but it won't stay that way!

The system is a P3 733MHz with a NVidia Riva TNT2 Model 64 video card (w/ 32MB RAM). I think the problem is with the monitor, and it seems that the correct colors can be seen, if only for a few seconds.

Any advice on what this problem might be and how it can be tested or fixed?


Thanks,

Edward

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From: editrix on 11/02/2003
Thank ghu for this forum-- I have the same problem with a Nvdia card and a brand-spanking-new Samsung Synmaster 210T monitor. Woke the computer (3-year-old HP) from sleep and found it had suddenly developed the lines. HP doesn't want anything to do with it, since it's long out of warranty. I'm headed over to Best Buy to get myself an ATI card.

Thanks, guys! Problem will soon be solved here!

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From: Jason on 10/29/2003
Hi Again,

I ordered a Trident AGP 4x 3D Force G-32 video card from Gateway ($30.27). It arrived today and I just installed it. Installing the driver was a little tricky but I did it. The grey lines that would extend from every bit of text, picture, or icon is now GONE.....HURRAY!!!
After some internet research, I found that the NVIDIA Riva TNT2 Model 64 video card has a relativly short life span; 3 to 3 1/2 years is all most people can get with that video card. You cannot contact NVIDIA about the crappy cards either (there is no "contact" link on their website).
So, if you are having the grey shadows shooting across your screen, I'm 99.99% sure it's your video card. Start there before you go and replace something like a monitor. For $30 it's the cheapest starting point. Good Luck Everyone!!!

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From: Jason on 10/26/2003
I have the same "grey line" problem with my 3 1/2 year old Gateway. After spending 2 hours with them online, they told me that my NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 Model 64 video card must be bad and should be replaced. They are sending me an inexpensive upgraded video card ($28.95). I'll post my results when I get it installed. Don't listen to post that say your monitor is bad. I have a 4 month old Gateway EV700 monitor so I'm sure it isn't my monitor. Look into replacing your video card. Prices run from $30 to $130 based on your needs and requirements. This computer is soon going to my children for homework so I was comfortable getting a cheap video card. The choice is yours. Good Luck!
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From: rantzid on 10/15/2003
are the gray lines across the entire screen or just like gray shadows behind the icons and windows that are open?
i put in a gforce ti 4200 and i have these ghost shadows but the are constricted to just behind the icons and open windows
do i have the same problem as you all or is mind different?
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From: Don on 10/14/2003

Best Buy was sympathetic to my dilemma with the Nvidia
card but could not help since I unfortunately was
out of warranty and how unfortunate that is and
the MAIN reason I am posting again just so someone
else might garnish enough information from all
this to avoid such a dilemma themselves in the
very near future.

So since I could not find any ATI cards worth
consideration at Best Buy I went to CompUSA and
found several ATI cards but can't remember seeing
one Nvidia card on the shelves and even the service
person was not familiar with them ???

So I purchased the cheapest ATI card I could get
for 50 bucks, a Rage 128 Pro 32MB and it works
just fine and I have no more GRAY LINES -
plus an extra 16 megs on the graphics card.

Also the monitor works better now -
can't remember it ever being this good when it
was brand new!

Alas as an extra, my computer is running much cooler
now and probably explains why it is so noisy since
they had to put an extra fan on the Intel chipper
to keep it from being over heated most likely by
this NVIDIA GRAPHICS CARD

What can I say?

Don

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From: Don on 10/13/2003

First!
Thanks for all the posts on the Nvidia fiasco.
Power of Internet conversation solving a problem
that the manufactures fail to even recognize?

HP 8705i (just now figured out what HP8705i and HP8705a was
even though I asked that question for 2 years from HP)

i = Intel
a = AMD

16 MB Nvidia TNT2 Vanta 3D AGP

Problem:
Horizontal gray lines across the full length of the monitor
caused by smearing of text or dark colors displayed.
During the booting process, the smearing is the color of
the boot up screen.


Not the problem:
HP M70 monitor

Failed solutions:
Restoring the system
Restoring "outdated drivers" from HP
Tweaking the refresh rates
Resetting Nvidia hardware defaults
Service FAQ's from HP
Service FAQ's from Nvidia who does not even recognize this card

I am taking the card to Best Buy today and tell them about the
problem and see what they do first since they are who I bought
this computer from just a few days SHORT of 3 YEARS ago.

Thanks again, and for the info on the ATI cards of which I have
owned before and are still running just fine 15 years later.

Don

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From: fuck nvidia on 10/03/2003
where do i complain about this? Nvidia doesnt seem to have a customer support! I wonder why?

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From: Charlie on 10/01/2003
Same thing happened to me yesterday. Should I replace the card right away? Will it cause any problem with the monitor to leave it this way for a week or two? Thanks.
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From: RJ on 09/22/2003
I just got this problem with my Nvidia TNT2 this morning. I've had the card for about 3 years now, almost to the exact day. This morning it has those grey lines and very dull, washed out colors.

Oh well, I looked it up on the net, found out everyone has this problem, and now it's time to get an ATI.

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From: Joe on 09/19/2003
I bought a DELL Dimension 4100 on 10/10/2000 with an nVidia 32mb GeForce 2. It developed the gray lines problem about a month or two ago. I thouroughly troubleshoot the problem, re-installing the driver several times, even though I was sure that I had a Hardware problem. I even pulled the card out, cleaned and inspected it, and plugged it back in (sometimes this can solve problems with a Microsoft OS).

After reading the posts on this website I called DELL customer support. I wanted to avoid them giving me the troubleshooting run-around, so I just started off by telling them that I had re-installed the drivers several times, then the OS, then switched monitors, finally put the card in a different computer, and the result was always the same. Dell must be familiar with this problem, because where they would normally try to snowball me, instead they offered to ship a replacement card immediately. Luckily, I had about 3 weeks left on my 3 year warranty.

I would recommend that everone with this problem call your respective computer vendor, wheather it's DELL, Compaq, HP, Gateway, etc. and tell them the same story. It may be worth a new video card. Even if your product is out of warranty, you should still call. They might be generous as it is a very common nVidia card defect and the comptuer vendor will want you as a repeat customer.

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From: Mike on 09/17/2003
Thanks for the info. I just rescued a Gateway PIII 547mhz PC from my father in law and hooked it up to gateway vx900t monitor and noticed the gray horizontal line problem. Switched monitors and the problem still existed. The vx900t works fine on my other PC. I too have a nvidia riva tnt2 model 64. Tried updated driver with no positive result.
Looks like the only solution is a New video card.
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From: shawn on 09/05/2003
I have an hp pavillion 8575c with an m70 monitor- have had the grey lines for some time now and some of the colors(green,yellow) are looking more neon now. Have had the computer since early 2000. Have an Nvidea card. Will be replacing the card with an ATI after reading this forum. Just wanted to add my experience to the pile.
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From: Edd on 09/01/2003
i have an nVidia TNT2 M64 32meg AGP card and about 3-4 months ago I got the grey lines problem. I wondered if it was my monitor but after trying it in a different pc found it must have bee the graphics card, I have been searching the web for soloutions to this problem and after reinstalling every possible driver, and reading this website I think its time to buy an ATI card, I have one running in a linux machine and am very impressed with it.
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From: brad on 08/24/2003
About 2-3 years ago we purchased two compaqs on the same trip to compaqfactoryoutlet in houston (original athlon 1ghz) with NVidia Riva TNT2 Model 64 video cards. About 6mos ago one of them went to greyed horizontal lines, and then 1mo the other did.

My opinion of these cards is low ...
and it sorta carries over to compaq and nvidia cause they were the manf and distributor

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From: Dale on 08/23/2003
Well, guys, I've been working on this problem for almost a YEAR, including a complete system re-install, with no success.

The difference I see with most of the rest of you is that I have an old Gateway 400MHZ running Win 98.

Can't say as I'm inclined to go out and purchase a new video card for a computer that's worth about a hundred bucks.

Damn. Got lots of good stuff on that computer.

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From: Denny on 08/19/2003
I just came home from work and found the line all across my screen. I have a HP Pavilion M70. Do you think my problem would be the video card also. I think its a Nvidia GF2, not 100% sure, but definitly Nvidia. Also, my warranty ran out last Friday.
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From: Kevster on 08/19/2003
Looks like Dell is putting ATI cards in their new machines. Hmmm - I wonder why...
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From: Gary on 08/18/2003
I have two Dell computers. One purchased 03/00 the other purchased 07/00. Both have the NVIDIA TNT2 M64 graphic/video card. The gray lines appeared on the monitor of the 3/00 computer 3 weeks ago. Now the gray lines have appeared on the monitor of the 07/00 computer. Both systems had 3 year warranties. The timing is scary! You'd swear the failures are programmed in based on when the warranties run out. Looks like I'll be needing 2 new video cards.
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From: Rhuin on 08/17/2003
Same deal here. One morning I boot up my PC and I have the gray lines,, also the whole picture serems to have a gray tint. I thought it was my monitor until I pluged it into my old AMD400 box and it was fine. It is definately the Vid-Card. I re-installed all the drivers,, Dx9, The viewsonic monitor, the newest Nvidia detonator's. the card is a TNT2Pro 32meg AGP.

I also have an HP,, seems like alot of Dell and HP's. Anyone have a home built PC this happpened on?

Has been a hot summer here and I just cleaned out my PCU fan of a fur coat of cat hair. But that was 2 months ago.

I've had the PC about 3 years now. Yuck. Sounds like it's shot.


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From: Kathleen on 08/12/2003
Yes, I have the same problem with 2 TNT2 and my GeForce2! There is no solution, we must replace the graphic card. I think that I'm gonna buy something else, like ATI card.
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From: Hermano on 08/05/2003
I've got a geforce2 and the same problem, plus the colors are too intense. This happened after the rts game 'blitzkrieg' crashed to desktop, the screen looks strange even in bios and dos mode. The very strange thing is, that when I run the game again, everything is ok. To me it seems that hardware (monitor+geforce), windows and drivers are ok (pretty sure about that), it seems there are some lower level card settings, that were changed (horizontal frame rate perhaps?). Any ideas anybody? How do you change lower-level card settings ?
Thanks for constructive replys,
h.
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From: Frustrated on 07/22/2003
Yep, have the same problem with my Nvidia Apollo Riva TNT2 video card. Grey horizontal lines. Had the card since 2001, but if this is gonna go out again like I see written above....I'm gonna go buy an ATI like that other person did! Thanks for all the tips. Too bad I already replaced the monitor before reading this! Just glad to finally have answers! Thanks everyone!
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From: Nvidia sucks on 07/11/2003
You know what, fuck nvidia, i have a new Gforce4 TI4200 and the same shit happened to me, gayness. Fuck nvidia lets all goto ATI.
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From: Kevin on 05/31/2003
Having the "horizontal line" problem this past year, I decided to call Dell after becoming tired of dusting out my system with minimal results; and over time the lines were becoming worse, sometimes taking over my entire screen. I have a Dell Dimension 8200 with a 64MB DDR Nvidia GeForce3 Ti 500 graphics card. My system is still covered by the warranty, however, I could not "prove" to Dell that the card was failing. Their troubleshooting measures now force you to try to re-create the problem in safe-mode AND during the card diagnostics. Of course, I could not re-create the problem in either - since the card cannot achieve the same resolution and refresh rate that I usually run the card at. This leads Dell to their next assumption that it is the drivers that are corrupt. I tried versions 40.72, 41.09, and 43.45 all with the same results. They also asked me to try a different monitor, and finally asked my to RELOAD MY OPERATING SYSTEM! AAAHHHHGGGGRRRR!!!!!

Getting more frustrated with repeated calls to support and seeing these postings about the card failing again 1-2 years later pointed me to a better decision - BUY AN ATI CARD. Of course, I could have lied to Dell about the results, but why the hell would I want the same card again after going through all this?

I purchased an ATI 8500 card, XP recognized it right away and I was up and running in 10 minutes with no problems.

Nvidia should get this straightened out quick before losing more loyal customers. And Dell should assist by replacing these cards WITH A DIFFERENT CARD that does not have the overheating (?) problems that this one has.

I would like to comment on Phil's 1/9/03 reply - why is this a "frustrating problem" to Dell? The cards are defective - and should be replaced with a recall by Dell, Compaq, and Gateway. Nvidia should be providing the PC manufacturers replacements. Trying to steer the problem towards the drivers, the monitor, and the OS is very misleading to the customer and is avoiding the problem at hand.

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From: Winkie on 05/29/2003
Me too. NVidia Vanta and groovy KDS Rad don't like each other. There goes the neighborhood... Why can't we all just get along? <g>
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From: Annetta on 04/22/2003
Well, I have a warranty on my HP and never used it...when the gray lines showed up I immediately called up the tech support AND all I heard was YOUR MONITOR IS BADDDDDD...... so, out I go and purchase a new monitor and GUESS WHAT! monitor is NOT BAD - lines are still there AND although I know absolutely nothing about the guts of these things I told them all the way thru that it was something with the system, etc. and NO, No, No, its the MONITOR...glad to hear that someone else is facing the same situation ... I have Windows ME and that is surely the first BIG problem but I have been able to get along pretty well until this gray line thing happened...thanks everyone for your help in getting this settled...good luck to us all.
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From: Linda on 04/12/2003
Replying to this because it's 2003 & the same problem occurs: Horizontal grey lines with text & graphics, nothing on a white notepad window; and, suddenly appearing after no previous display problems. My card is Nvidia Tnt2 Pro 32mg AGP; the problem developed suddenly within hours on the same day. One point to take note here which made me suspect the graphics' card almost immediately: On a restart of Windows, the HP (Hewlett Packard) & Windows' Logo screen had the same lines before entering the Windows interface. Another point after reading here, the card always seems to be unusually warm when opening the case; I clean the pc guts on a regular basis. HP's troubleshooting site suggests installing a slot fan for heat problems. So having that listed in their database suggests that heat is an ongoing problem.
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From: ser_night on 04/03/2003
damnnnnnnnn!!!! i think this is some kind of goverment conspiracy shizz..or it probly little green men sneeking in when we go to sleep..cuz it seems to happen overnight to everyone ..just like me!!!!....i have a elsa gloria II 64 ram i had it since 2000..its been good to me until 2 nights ago i woke up and what do u know freakin gray lines on my screen.at first i thouth it was my monitor..and than thoght it was a virus..becouse of corse i didnt want it to be my graphics card..but since ive read you guys have to same problem as me ..im just gana have to face it and throw my baby away :( ....and yes mines a nvidia chip toooo!!!...o yeah and in side my computer case its all frekin dusty..lol..maybe thats why my baby fried up..damnnnn!!!dust!!!>:(
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From: Greg on 03/21/2003
yeah me too - nvidia tnt2 m64 Pro 32mb card also giving grey ghost lines running horizontally across the monitor. Reloaded the detonator drivers, adjusted refresh rates, checked the directx settings and even investigated reloading the firmware - all to no avail.

card must be cooked - time to buy another....

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From: Steve on 02/14/2003
I have the same problem on a Micron Millenia with a TNT2 card. The gray lines popped up overnight. I've installed new drivers, and tried the monitor on my Mac. The monitor is fine on any other machine and the problem persists with the updated drivers. I think its about time to head out and get a new video card.
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From: Andrew on 02/07/2003
I have an older Nvidia GeForce card which failed and cause the same problem with the grey lines. Dell replaced it for free, but now the second one has failed (2 cards in about 3 years). When I opened up my system the fan was filled with dust - so maybe it's my fault for not cleaning it regularly. Either way, I'm probably going to change to a different card.
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From: James on 02/05/2003
After doing some search on the web, I have concluded that the monitor may be fine. I also believe the drivers are ok too. It looks as though I may need to purchase a new video card as opposed to a new monitor. Just to clarify, I think I need to purchase any new video card other than one manfactured by Nvidia. I think investing in a new video card is a much cheaper solution and the old video card will make a much better paper weight!

Thanks!

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From: James on 02/05/2003
Hi! This is really strange. This morning I turned on my computer and noticed horizontal grey lines on my monitor display. I also tried updating the drivers and realized that I was already using the latest and greatest drivers. My monitor is a 17" flat screen Model # FS740. I wonder if the display issue is the actual monitor or the video card. My computer is a Compaq Presario. Well, I guess it is time to upgrade to a flat panel LCD monitor for under $300. I guess I should have purchased the extended warranty from Best Buy! Anyone in the market for a really big paper weight?

Thanks!

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From: RB on 01/31/2003
Grey lines--> Gummed up fan-->overheating---> degraded IC

Replace the card. Luckly I was under warrantey

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From: Phil on 01/09/2003
Over the last two years, I have replaced 63 of the G-Force 1 and 2 boards which came to me in about 200+ Dell Dimension systems for the 'horizontal' problem. It is a very frustrating problem, one that has cost me and Dell a lot of money. Seems as though the boards last 2 to 2 and a half years in pretty much constant operation and all have been covered by the three year Dell waranty to date.
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From: Sean on 01/02/2003
NVIDIA card needs to be replaced.

I was having the same problem as everyone else with my NVIDIA card...until about 4 hours ago when I threw it in the trash.

Here's my personal 'case study' for the benefit of all:

System: 800MHz DELL with 256 RAM, 3 years old, came with factory-installed NVIDIA TNT2 32Mb video card.

Experience: Problem-free card since I've had it, until yesterday morning.

Issue: Gray shadowy lines across the screen behind text and graphics. Exact same issue as everyone else.

Solution: Toss your NVIDIA card out and replace it. I replaced mine with an ATI RADEON 7000 32Mb. $49 at CompUsa.

Notes:

1. Replace your card as your needs dictate. I don't play games or watch DVD's on my computer, so my needs aren't really that advanced. This new card has plenty of capability for me.

2. In my search for a solution, I visited a number of forums that offered possible causes, in particular the "your card has overheated due to low fan flow" kept coming up. I tend to think that the issue has much more to do with NVIDIA card technology. Just look at the posts here - every one of them involves an NVIDIA card.

Hope you find my experience useful.

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From: Sean on 01/02/2003
I have the same issue. Overnight. I have a 32Mb NVIDIA TNT2 M64 4X AGP card.

The only tips I've found basically all say the same thing: The card needs to be replaced. I've read some theories that it may be due to overheating, possibly accelerated by poorly working fans. So I guess if your fans look all gummed up with dirt and dust you need to do a little cleaning.

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From: Chris on 01/02/2003
I am having the same problem with NVIDIA770. I think it has to be the video card as the monitor works fine on other computers.
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From: frank on 12/31/2002
guys, is the monitor near a tv? is it near a radio? is it near another monitor? is it near anything with a high frequency? MOVE IT then!
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From: Terry on 12/25/2002
I just got the same problem with a Nvidia TNT M64 card overnight. Did anyone find a solution or should I replace the video card?
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From: Don on 12/04/2002
I also have these same lines that you are talkiing about. I have a Gateway FPD1520 LCD monitor with an NVIDIA TNT2 card. something is at fault with the nvidia cards. that is the only thing i can think of. i hate to have to purchase a new card, but if NVIDIA refusues to help, that may be the only resolution.
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From: Kyle on 10/15/2002
I just had the same thing happen to my screen, on a 17" Compaq MV740. The gray lines stretch all the way across the screen, behind any line of black text and on parts of some icons, but not all, like the mouse arrow. I tried the monitor with another system running XP (but hasn't had any new drivers loaded in a while) and it worked fine, which leads me to believe it's not the monitor but perhaps the new nVIDIA update recently released my Microsoft, or another one??? I rolled back to earlier drivers, and it still had the same problems. System is a Compaq 5WV280 900 mhZ AMD Athlon 512mb RAM, 8mb nVIDIA TNT2 graphics card with newest drivers

: Overnight I suddenly developed horizontal gray lines across my screen. I have a 17" Compaq FS740 I am currently using the best driver available. I have restated, scandisk, let the damn thing sit for a while, tried different drivers....Is my monitor shot?...Or is there something I can do?


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From: Jeff on 08/07/2002
The gray lines appear all the way across the screen wherever there is a line of text.

: Overnight I suddenly developed horizontal gray lines across my screen. I have a 17" Compaq FS740 I am currently using the best driver available. I have restated, scandisk, let the damn thing sit for a while, tried different drivers....Is my monitor shot?...Or is there something I can do?


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